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Heir of Strahd - a reading (spoilers)

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Got a copy today and started reading it.

The book is dedicated to My Chemical Romance, "because they get it". What it is they "get" is to be defined later I guess.

p 3 The style is sometimes ponderous. A sentence in the 1st paragraph of the novel: "Far below, the valley spread like the pages of a moldering, forgotten tome that no one wished to read, that perhaps no one should've written in the first place." :?:

Now I’m at page 16, and let’s already establish something quickly: subtelty isn’t part of the adventure! In a D&D game, mists like described in the book would generate yells from the players. The mists parts and you see a house. You go away from this ominous house ? The mists brings you back to its front yard! Then : you stand in front of the house but you do not enter in it? The mists turns Green as it becomes poisonous! Now, do you enter? ;)

I understand it's a novel and not a game, but still...

Added later as I continue reading:

P19 battle with pig corpses turned into Boneless. Good idea. Creepy description

P22 the orc wizard is an idiot ;) Stressed, he casts Grease instead of Magic missile ! This creates chaos and it nearly ends in tpk. Highly credible.

P29 A headless zombie chicken! That is something you don't see everyday! Unexpected ;)

P33 more mists deus ex machina to force the caracters in a direction.

P40 same

P42 43 same, but with lightning. Railroading at full throttle!

P44 same with Wolves. You hesitate to enter the carriage. Many wolves appears. Now do you get in the carriage ? ;)

P55 56 same. You debark the carriage and hesitate between to enter the castle or walk down the slope to the village. Dozens of Wolves « suddenly » appear! One of the five caracters acknowledge this railroading and say they are forced in a direction, «  theatrically » Oh well, quite heavy handed, as I noted before… If that is the suggested way to play RL in 5e, I'm out.

The 5 caracters are an odd lot. The author even jokes that it could be the start of a joke: a drow, a tiefling and a half-orc walks into a bar...

There is some effort at breaking stereotypes. The half-orc is sophisticated and an apprentice wizard. The drow is a dim barbarian. It appears like those were switched when revisors made sterotype comments :)

Oh, and the drow is bisexual (p 78). There's no mention of any sexual orientation for the other caracters, but it is said (a few times in the book) the drow is bi. I let you think of the relevance of this in the novel.

p 61 - another example of strange writing style: "His" (Strahd's) "voice was like music, but the kind of music that makes people dance until they die" :?:

Strahd is so far very polite and welcoming. He divides the caracters by playing on their flaws - ex. to the unconfident half orc, Strahd tells him he must be the leader of the group as the others are dim. But no memorable quote yet.

p66 Yes, Fielle, the human girl of the group is you know who and that explains Strahd's interest in her.

p 73 "The liquid was warm and soft as velvet, sweet and sirupy, and it slid into her like a poisoned blade" :?:

p76 strange scene of a bath turning into blood. Next day, the caracter wakes up covered in dried blood.

p 78 F- word mentionned!

p 99 - battle with gargoyles. Another railroading, this time at preventing the group's escape.
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I thought you were on page 16...
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Sorry, « at », not « on » ;) Fixed
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Sounds wonderful :roll: , but keep going...
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I found it interesting that this book, like many Curse of Strahd DMs, chooses to ignore Rahadin's Screams of the Dead attribute. I guess accepting an invitation from a chamberlain who literally emits howling screams of countless dead would stretch credibility too much even for this kind of railroaded story.

The game of Hawks and Hares is a nice nod to Vampire of the Mists.
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I just finished it, I had no greater expectation than it being "The Muppets take Ravenloft". I was deeply disappointed by the ending, seriously:
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"Heir of Strahd"? No way that character defeats Strahd like that and assumes the title. :Strahd:
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HeyJim ;)

P151 and after random room exploration, here’s Rudolph, wandering the castle ! All the caracters of the group see Strahd often spying on them, but VR can walk the castle without problems it seems.

P155 if you kill Strahd, he will return. VR said he did kill Strahd a few times.

P156 After an esoterical discussion about Tatyana, let’s go meet Viktra Mordenheim !

P157+ a woman awakes in a coffin. Nice & creepy. Weird discussion between the woman and Tatyana’s soul. Nice scene where a fledging vamp does its first kill.

Goat smelling crocht? ;)

P 167 Larissa Snowmane has a ship that connects the 5e domains-in-the-mists?

P 171 deus ex machina teleport rocks. Pfff

P173 « Larissa, as it turned out, was the only person on the River Dancer; her ship was imbued with magic and required very little work from its captain » There are many examples in this book of doors opening magically, dinghy with no drivers, magical machines, etc…

P180 182 we are now in Lamordia. Weird forest of rust, then Weird encounter with a starfish-concerned flesh golem, then a swarm of rust monsters.
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I admit, I enjoyed having a more original take on Tatyana's reincarnation. Instead of the usual "same person reborn anew" deal like we had before, here we have Tatyana acting as a kind of spiritual parasite, attaching herself to another person's soul at birth. The reason I like this is that it opens up new options for the players to deal with a reincarnated Tatyana NPC, while making the whole situation feel much more morally ambiguous. Is Tatyana a victim in need of help, or a dangerous spirit possessing an innocent against their will? It also makes Tatyana PCs a more workable proposition. Previously, such a character was at risk of stealing the limelight from the rest of the party, but now you can treat it as more of an affliction or a complication that the character can do something about. Plus, it gives the party a reason to seek out the Apparatus to remedy the problem, which is always a plus.

I've already modified my ongoing Curse of Strahd game so that the Abbot of Saint Markovia Abbey seeks Ireena Kolyana in order to "free" her from the Tatyana soul parasite, which he plans to put in his flesh golem creation instead. It makes for a much more compelling side-plot than the "find me a wedding dress" quest he's supposed to give. As a bonus, it gives Ireena a reason to resist reuniting with Sergei, and instead seeking the PCs' help in dealing with the second personality stirring inside her.
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Weeeell... what is Heir of Strahd? I haven't read deep in the spoilers, seems... novel take as a book. Is it this one that in the other thread (here ) sounded dreadful and not the good way? Your approach seems much more positive, Joel.
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alhoon wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 5:42 pm Weeeell... what is Heir of Strahd? I haven't read deep in the spoilers, seems... novel take as a book. Is it this one that in the other thread (here ) sounded dreadful and not the good way?
Yep, that's the new novel set in 5e RL. It was out early last month.
Your approach seems much more positive, Joel.
Not really :) See end final comment.
Igor the Henchman wrote: Fri May 30, 2025 7:39 am I admit, I enjoyed having a more original take on Tatyana's reincarnation. Instead of the usual "same person reborn anew" deal like we had before, here we have Tatyana acting as a kind of spiritual parasite, attaching herself to another person's soul at birth. The reason I like this is that it opens up new options for the players to deal with a reincarnated Tatyana NPC, while making the whole situation feel much more morally ambiguous. Is Tatyana a victim in need of help, or a dangerous spirit possessing an innocent against their will? It also makes Tatyana PCs a more workable proposition. Previously, such a character was at risk of stealing the limelight from the rest of the party, but now you can treat it as more of an affliction or a complication that the character can do something about. Plus, it gives the party a reason to seek out the Apparatus to remedy the problem, which is always a plus.
I was getting there in the book. Indeed, this is perhaps the only new great idea of the book, that possibility that Tatyana's soul can communicate with her current time vessel. She hates Strand and that makes fun conspiracy discussions between the girls.

p178 + the Lamordia part of the story is quite nonsensical from start to exit. A long boat ride to the island where Schloss Mordenheim is located, and yes, it features a kraken.

Many competing groups of mercenaries go the Shloss Mordenheim but our caracters arrives first at the door because they took a cart (!).

The group, minus the woman Strahd is turning vampire, ask Viktra Mordenheim if she has a machine to separate souls when two souls occupy one body. She gives them an errand of the most unimaginative kind: get me bodies from the morgue while I do your thing.

Unimaginative trip to the University Morgue with Viktra’s boat (now only a one hour trip with superfast Viktra's boat, while the other boat took hours and hours), where they antagonize the dean.

Then back to the island: Viktra suddenly wants more (find Elise), and flesh golems surround them. So they simply kick her out of the way, and they take the machine and run. The dean somehow appears on the island (doesn't it takes hours by boat !) with policemen looking for the caracters.

The group takes a flying machine (yes, that cheezy) and exit in the mists.

P 205 nothing in this battle makes sense at all. An apprentice wizard with three magic missiles? And you all knew that the Grease spell created highly inflammable fluid, huh? Diversion makes no sense.

P 292 Back to Barovia in the flying machine: they are unable to find a place to land safely near Castle Ravenloft, so they crash the flying machine in a window of the castle… and find themselves in the underground crypt!

P 295 Strahd is then defeated pitifully like a low level monster. Fielle, a low level human artificer cast a spell that paralyses Strahd. The vamp girl suck him dry and he is dead. Voilà. If it would be that easy, there would be no RL setting ;)
Catman Jim wrote: Thu May 29, 2025 3:29 pm I just finished it, I had no greater expectation than it being "The Muppets take Ravenloft". I was deeply disappointed by the ending, seriously:
VIEW CONTENT:
"Heir of Strahd"? No way that character defeats Strahd like that and assumes the title. :Strahd:
No way indeed!

But from VR's experience, as said in the book, Strahd will soon reform.

P 314 the end scene in the tavern is cruel but we understand the kind caracter killing her mean family.

Final thought: 5/10

Some good scene descriptions, but so many non sense! I understand it's a novel and that means it can take liberties from the game, but there are so many story continuity bugs and incongruous things...

The book is also a return to the Weekend in Hell way of doing things. All the caracters did a bad thing and were sucked into Barovia. Not my cup of tea. And again, some of these "bad things" are non sensical – Fielle did a potion to hurt her sister’s voice but ... here she is singing beautifully at the end of the book.

Acknowledgments at the end (…) “Thanks to the copyediting team for fixing all my errors”, well they missed a few dozens more…
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Joël of the FoS wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:36 amAcknowledgments at the end (…) “Thanks to the copyediting team for fixing all my errors”, well they missed a few dozens more…
From the sound of it, allowing the book to be published is the most egregious error.
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And yet still better than Lord of the Necropolis.
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Joël of the FoS wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 7:37 pm P29 A headless zombie chicken! That is something you don't see everyday! Unexpected ;)

I did this in a second edition game with Animate Dead Animal. "The Colonel" was amazingly lucky at tripping opponents.
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Igor the Henchman wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 2:04 pm And yet still better than Lord of the Necropolis.
Well, LotN HAD a headless zombie chicken.
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