Game of Thrones - the TV series

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

My father just watched the whole thing.
He told me a few things that I may have missed both from book and series.

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He thinks it's obvious Jorah is in love with Daenerys. He told me I must be blind to not see it.

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Well Viserys certainly seems to think so. And he does stay with her even when everything looks to be at it's most bleak. Drogo a vegetable, Rhaego dead, the Khalasar mostly gone, a pardon in his pocket, and he still sits by her beside, sword at the ready. I won't say more for fear of future book spoiler.

Very cool that you got your dad to watch, BTW.

[alhoon]

As a note, after he watched it he had surmised more than I thought would "filter through" the series to the casual viewer that hasn't read the book. I seem I was a bit too critical with some of the things I noted as "They don't show as well as in the book" since my father, a casual viewer that's not aware of anything in the books got them.

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One such thing was Catelyn's sister being more afraid than crazy. Another thing was how much Tyrion risked to save Catelyn in the road and that yes, it was shown that he did it out of honor rather than to earn points with her. A third one was that my father realized (after Catelyn tricks those in the King's road to go the other way) that Catelyn had both cunning and political sense, which I think was lost.

[Zilfer]

Enjoyable read even if I did have to click a million spoiler tags to get through the topic and just skipped other ones. XD Watched it with my friends and mother and it got my mom interested enough to buy the books so she's already through all five books. So their waiting for me whenever I get done with Steven Erikson's Malazan books of the fallen. (I got a while to go trust me) I did like the show however which i'm hoping means i will really like the books. One of the few serise I have done backwards. (show/movie and then the book. I usually read the book first)

[alhoon]

SEASON 2
Yeah, I already got my book to read with it.

Well, not much to say about episode 1. From what I saw they have "desychronised" the chapters with the book. For example Jon misses 2 really boring chapters (I skimmed them) and gets one third of the way into the book. Good choice IMO. Not really interesting episode but doing a better job than the book by omitting boring stuff. I liked a few things that miss though. And they had one very smart character make a blunder that made me go since it was contrary to his character.

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Tyrion's full talk with Cersei for example or the Red Woman's red eyes. Any idea why they omitted them? I also missed the "I'll do justice" Tyrion told his lover in the book.
Also what was that abomination about Littlefinger trying (alone) to blackmail Cercei with 4 guards on her side?!? He turned stupid suddenly?

As for episode 2 I watched it. Was better than the last but they added some things. I think they added a couple of plot holes for later. Truth be told a friend of mine that read the book, told me it was... thinner than the other books.

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Arya scene: Again it seems a bit more hollow than the book. We don't see her affection for Gendry the Bull or how the ragtag band was ready to fight for Gendry or how she was ready to give herself over to spare them.

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Jon: They failed to mention that Craster gives his sons to the White Walkers and lied that he has never seen them when they had the scene with Gily.
EDIT: Well, they added stuffin the end

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Tyrion: Hard to keep tabs with all that back and forth even between the same chapter, so perhaps that scene with Cersei tearful is somewhere in the book, although somehow I doupt she would be one to be seen teary-eyed by Tyrion. Yet it conveys nicely the "Insane powerhungry b##### that wants to play puppeteer with her King son, and he won't dance"

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Sister? He didn't have a sister in those chapters show up. She wasn't even mentioned

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Davos: Ehh... what? When did Stannis impregnate the Red woman? Did I lost that?

Add more later as I watch it/read it.

[Manofevil]

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

SEASON 2

WOOHOO!!

Well, not much to say about episode 1. From what I saw they have "desychronised" the chapters with the book.

Yeah, a bit. For one thing, I think the book is longer than the first, but the show is the same length. So there will likely be more cuts. Also, there are some characters that barely appear in the book, so they'll be pulling in stuff from book 3 for them to do. (Which will require more cuts to make room.) Not to mention all the added Ros scenes that are totally necessary.

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Red Woman's red eyes. Any idea why they omitted them?

Much like the Targaryen's purple eyes, I hear they tried and it looked silly, so they skipped it.

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Also what was that abomination about Littlefinger trying (alone) to blackmail Cercei with 4 guards on her side?!? He turned stupid suddenly?

Well, he's always been overconfident in his own abilities, specifically in the realm of secrets and manipulation. I kind of liked that scene. Especially since it helped Cersei seem badass. I prefer that to all the weepy "humanity" they've given her.

Truth be told a friend of mine that read the book, told me it was... thinner than the other books.

Thinner in events, maybe, but just as thick in volume.

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Jon: They failed to mention that Craster gives his sons to the White Walkers
EDIT: Well, they added stuffin the end

Honestly, I'd forgotten that from the book. I thought they added it at the end. I just remembered him killing his sons in an unspecified way. I've seen enough people who hadn't read the books but figured out that was a WW at the end, so I guess the show did an OK job of conveying it.

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Sister? He didn't have a sister in those chapters show up. She wasn't even mentioned

Who, Theon? If so, you haven't read far enough. They changed her name, but she's there.

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Davos: Ehh... what? When did Stannis impregnate the Red woman? Did I lost that?

Not sure how far you've gotten in the book, but it was another of those "heavily implied" things like Renly/Loras that they made clearer in the show. It's there. It'll be clearer by chapter....

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[Zilfer]

oh the second season is out already eh? I'll have to check into it here pretty soon. xD

[alhoon]

Gonzoron:

They cut stuff that I mostly found too boring to read. Also since some of the things we mentioned, you said are further ahead than the chapters shown, they seem to have "folded" things in. Like merging parts of chapter X parts of X+16.
And again, in a couple of cases they made the show better than the book.
Also the book at times seems too... excessive on sex scenes. We get the picture, we don't need to read 2 pages about how they started, proceeded, finished.

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I decided I agree with you about Cercei-Littlefinger scene. She needed a badass scene.
However, in the book it's not clear if she knew beforehand that Joffrey ordered the children killed, although Tyrion suspects she didn't gave the order. I think that in the book, in the Arya chapter the guards go with a "queen's order" however, not with the King's order. And she's a childkiller anyways.

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Well, in the chapters shown on screen, he didn't have his sis show up. Also Rob will get a rude awakening about how the world works it seems.

Also to be clear: I don't read the book. I watch the episode with the book next to me and try to find the chapters.

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Also the book at times seems too... excessive on sex scenes. We get the picture, we don't need to read 2 pages about how they started, proceeded, finished.

Well, that's GRRM for you. The man likes his sex.

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However, in the book it's not clear if she knew beforehand that Joffrey ordered the children killed, although Tyrion suspects she didn't gave the order. I think that in the book, in the Arya chapter the guards go with a "queen's order" however, not with the King's order. And she's a childkiller anyways.

I don't recall this myself, but I read online somewhere that it was her order in the book. I can't point to page number, though

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Well, in the chapters shown on screen, he didn't have his sis show up.

As you said, everything's been "folded". Theon's got one chapter in chapter 12 and another in chapter 25, and once they remove some of the minor characters who aren't in the show, the two chapters are somewhat redundant with one another, so they smooshed them together.

Also to be clear: I don't read the book. I watch the episode with the book next to me and try to find the chapters.

In that case, you may find this website handy: http://towerofthehand.com/books/guide.html They have summaries of each chapter, but also a table of contents, showing whose chapters are when.

[alhoon]

That takes half the fun away!

[alhoon]

Oh and another thing about episode 2.

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The new commander wasn't Bronn, was it? Gonzoron, do you know if the make him commander later? I don't mind if you tell me, since the show did it anyways, so even if it is down the road it's not actually spoiler

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

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The new commander wasn't Bronn, was it? Gonzoron, do you know if the make him commander later? I don't mind if you tell me, since the show did it anyways, so even if it is down the road it's not actually spoiler

No, in the books, it was a different character named Jacelyn Bywater who took over the watch, but they've cut him and given his part to Bronn. No great loss. Bronn does different stuff in the books, but none of it precludes him also becoming commander of the goldcloaks, at least for a little while.

[alhoon]

Episode 3

Well, the show seems to getting closer to the book. I was able to find most events, with just hopping chapters a couple of times. The 2nd book isn't as good as the first IMO (although good enough) but the show is as good as the 1st one. I still miss a few things though, and a couple of things that are missing puzzle me.

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Catelyn: I expected Brienne the pretty to be uglier. She wasn't a beauty but far from the crooked teeth/broken nose woman that brought pity to Catelyn to look upon. Also they called for Joffrey's head instead of Cersei's. They seem to downplay Cersei's importance in the show.
They change the part that Cersei asked for the dead bastards of Robert and they change that although Joffrey's king, people consider her at least as an important enemy as him.
Well, more or less the part was shorter than the book. I missed Catelyn's talk with Renly. Important hindsight on things there and Renly plans.

Theon:
I wanted to see his sis catch an axe as it flew threw the air!

Tyrion:
No mention of the chain so far, I guess it's a chain for a port or something, like we did in Constantinople. "Have their hands crushed in their own anvils" order by Cersei was also invaluable. She throws out commandments and bullies people like there's no tomorrow now that Robert is dead.
Personally I think they made the "One" "two" "three" thing with Myrcella better in the series, but as usual, the shortening of Tyrion-Cersei scenes (my favorites on the books) left a frown. When Cersei starts to cry and shout “I should have been born a man” is important. They should have included it, since it shows the core of Cersei’s frustration. Also important tactical info of how things are. Adding that line would take 2 seconds, so I guess they left it out for a reason.
Also, I’ve seen nothing of the plan to free Jaime using a party of adventu… I mean a group of 4 mercenaries with different skills. Nor anything about the Greek fire.

Arya:
Where is this “You want Gendry? You already got him” part? It wasn’t in the book in the chapter they got them.

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Episode 3

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Catelyn: I expected Brienne the pretty to be uglier. She wasn't a beauty but far from the crooked teeth/broken nose woman that brought pity to Catelyn to look upon.

Agreed, but this was probably one of the toughest roles to cast in the whole series. Ugly actresses aren't easy to find. I'm happy enough with the casting. I think they did well to focus on her size to make her a believable warrior (she towers over everyone in her scenes..) and then "ugly her up" a bit with makeup. In real life, (or OK, with makeup, I suppose) she's actually quite pretty. But at least they didn't do "hollywood ugly" and put her hair in a bun and give her glasses. And thus far at least, it seems like she's a decent enough actress to boot. (Hard to tell in a few lines, but so far, so good.)

Also they called for Joffrey's head instead of Cersei's. They seem to downplay Cersei's importance in the show.

Well, in this case, it makes sense. Joffrey was the one who had Ned killed, over Cersei's objections. But overall, I agree, Cersei is less evil and more human overall in the show, and I'm not loving that.

Tyrion:
Personally I think they made the "One" "two" "three" thing with Myrcella better in the series, but as usual, the shortening of Tyrion-Cersei scenes (my favorites on the books) left a frown.

I agree, I think that was one of the highlights of the show thus far. Perfectly done. All or most of the the stuff you're missing here (chain, mercenaries, wildfire) will likely be in upcoming episodes, I'm betting.

Where is this “You want Gendry? You already got him” part? It wasn’t in the book in the chapter they got them.

No, that whole thing was condensed a lot. I believe in the books, the fight with Lorch wasn't over Gendry at all, but over a deserted walled town that Yoren had holed up in. But they dumped the town (for budget maybe?) and combined that chapter with the next one. (Arya and friends get away from Lorch but are captured in the next chapter by...

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The Mountain. I assume in the show, Lorch will just take them to The Mountain instead.

[alhoon]

Well, I think they downplay her intentionally. I don't know why. Can't even begin to think why.


Also, does anyone know if they've made a game like "Kingmaker" for GoT? (For the few young people here, Kingmaker was a board game (later translated to a computer game) about the war of the Roses; you control a family and try to put your own canditate on the throne.)