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LadySoth wrote:I've read both of these books. Have you ever checked out their "essential" version of the Dracula novel? I think I like that one best.
They did an annotated Dracula ? Wow! I've got to track this down. The only (good) annotated Dracula of which I was aware was Leonard Wolf's.

Speaking of Wolf, pick up Dracula: A Connoisseurs Guide. Published at the 100th anniversary of the novel, this book features a number of essays regarding the background of the novel, the symbolism, movie adaptations, etc. One of the cool things about the book is an appendix featuring a calendar of 1897 marked with the events from the novel.
LadySoth wrote:On thing I didn't like though, were the recent History Channel documentaries about "the historical Dracula". They only gave credit to Florescu, and didn't even mention McNally :roll: But that's television for you :roll:
Well, if they interviewed Florescu directly (instead of using the books as a source), that would make sense as McNally passed away in 2002 [1].

Mr. McNally was a very nice man. I wrote him once, out of the blue, to ask if he could recommend any sources regarding Transylvanian clothing of the Impaler's period. (I was costuming an SCA persona at the time). He wrote back within a period of two weeks thanking me for my letter and recommending that I use the Impaler's Castle Ambras portrait as a source. (There hasn't been any survey of historical Transylvanian garb made. Imagine that. :D )

I keep the letter tucked into my copy of Dracula, Prince of Many Faces.
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^Thanks for your suggestion about the Connoisseurs Guide, I'll have to check it out!


Well, if they interviewed Florescu directly (instead of using the books as a source), that would make sense as McNally passed away in 2002 [1].
How wonderful that you had an opportunity to communite with McNally. I checked the year of the History channel documentary, and it was listed as copywrite 2003. If you want to check it out, its caled "Bloodlines: the Dracula Family Tree". The filmmakers made a huge deal out of Florescu's hungarian and romanian ancestry, (he was indirectly related to Vlad by marriage :roll:) while totally ignoring the contributions that McNally made to all of their books together. They certainly discuss the books, but no mention whatsoever is made of McNally. Considering that the man had just passed away the year before, they could have at least mentioned his name, or asked Florescu to talk about him etc.

I normally like the History channel's stuff, but this particular documentary was just overblown and tried to be too cinematic/romanticizing of the issue for me. I think in a work by 2 authors, both authors should be given their due. That didn't happen here.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

EDIT: Yep. I just watched the first few minutes of the DVD again right now, and its exactly like I remembered. They credit Floresclu with "a 1972 best-seller that exposed Dracula" without mentioning McNally. As far as I could determine, the only Dracula books that Floresclu wrote were written by McNally. I could be mistaken, but this seems like a huge oversite on A&E (the history channel's) part.

BTW, nice to find someone on here who also likes Dracula. :D

In your opinion, what's the best film version? '31/Lugosi is obviously a classic, but I really found myself liking Langella in the '79 version as well. Niether one really was faithful to the novel (are they ever?) but as stand alone films, I really think those 2 are my favorites.

Haven't seen Gary Oldman's version, and frankly, I've heard mixed things about it, I don't know if I really want to see it. I love Oldman, but its kind of hard to picture him as Dracula. IMO.
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LadySoth wrote:BTW, nice to find someone on here who also likes Dracula. :D
I'm sure we're not the only ones here who likes Dracula as much as we do.
LadySoth wrote:In your opinion, what's the best film version? . . . Haven't seen Gary Oldman's version, and frankly, I've heard mixed things about it, I don't know if I really want to see it.
"Best" film version. I guess that depends on what a person wants out of the film. The Spanish version of the 1931 Dracula (shot on the same sets as the Lugosi version with the same script in Spanish) is touted by some as superior to the English version because of George Melford's directing.

My favorite version is the Gary Oldman Bram Stoker's Dracula for two reasons: 1) In terms of plot, this adaptation is the closest to the novel. . . it even includes Quincey Morris! 2) Of all the adaptations, Bram Stoker's Dracula is the most lush and visually dense. It's only modern era equal would be Blade Runner. The Hammer films would run a second but that's only because they had real English countryside locations and real castles to work with (which allowed a bigger budget for the costumes.)

Despite the film adhering closely to the novel's plot, purists take exception to the way the character of Dracula was handled. Some derisively call the film "Anne Rice's Dracula."

All of this stems from the movie adding an origin story for Dracula -- the circumstances for his becoming a vampire. In this version, a prelude informs us that Dracula is Vlad The Impaler, who renounces God when church officials tell him his wife, who committed suicide, wouldn't be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven because suicide is a sin.

Flash-forward from the 1400s to 1897: In Jonathan Harker's trip to Transylvania, Dracula sees the spitting image of his long-dead wife in a photograph of Harker's wife, Mina. From this point on, the movie's plot unfolds like the original novel with only a few minor changes to accomodate the prelude.

However, the prelude changes the nature of the film because it changes the nature of Dracula's motivations. Instead of being motivated by just being Evil Incarnate, Dracula's motivations become romantic in nature (though the actions remain the same). And, unfortunately, some people, usually males who are disappointed that Dracula isn't a "bad ass" or a mirror image of Satan, are unable to enjoy the film because of this. Nevertheless, the film is a visual treat and is worth seeing on that basis alone.

The visual approach of Bram Stoker's Dracula is one of reverie, not realism; So, a dream-like quality is present throughout the movie. In fact, even outdoor scenes were shot on soundstages so that the director (Francis Ford Coppola) could absolutely control the weather, color palette, lighting, etc. The look of the film is carefully planned and deliberate. Visually speaking, it is unmatched by any other Dracula adaptations. . . even the Langella or Louis Jourdan versions.

Rent Bram Stoker's Dracula at least once and decide for yourself. Loved or hated, this film is rarely ignored.

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^Agreed. The Spanish version is superior, in all respects except the casting of the Count. Villarias by himself would be merely adequete, but good directing makes him actually pretty good. What a shame however that Lugosi could not have been in both versions, that would have made this film perfect.

Lupita Tovar has just enough emotion to make her part believable, and she's a refreshing change from Helen Chandler's extremely beautiful, yet overly stoic Mina.

The English-language version of the film suffers largely from poor, or entirely absent, direction. Its funny, because other Tod Browning films are much better, he could have done much better by Dracula, had he actually been on the set during filming.

I'm on the lookout for a copy of "Bram Stoker's Dracula" this weekend. . . thanks for plot summary and info.
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Rafael wrote:Maybe, if we all collected some money, this could be the FoS' new headquarter? :roll: :oops: :mrgreen:
And we would publish books, and call them "official", and keep those who I won't mention out of the castle's walls. :lol:
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LadySoth wrote:I'm on the lookout for a copy of "Bram Stoker's Dracula" this weekend. . . thanks for plot summary and info.
Once you've seen it, let us know what you think about it. . . .
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We can do a certain cloud of poisonous gas too, in order to keep everyone else out, like Barovia when Strahd closes the borders! :lol:
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