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midnightcat wrote: I may be in minority but I think the Arthaus Ravenloft line was excellent.
I agree
midnightcat wrote: they woulnd't know that the Dark Powers shouldn't be evil. Heck, I have players who think the Dark powers are evil.
? ! ? IMC dark powers are evil and although an official answer hasn't been given, I believe they should be evil.
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From the same interview:

"Q: Rights to Ravenloft and Gamma World reverted to WOTC this week, are going to do anything with them?

A: not right away, we're talking about it."

Mmm...

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Joël of the Fraternity wrote:From the same interview:

"Q: Rights to Ravenloft and Gamma World reverted to WOTC this week, are going to do anything with them?

A: not right away, we're talking about it."

Mmm...

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Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:From the same interview:

"Q: Rights to Ravenloft and Gamma World reverted to WOTC this week, are going to do anything with them?

A: not right away, we're talking about it."

Mmm...

Joël
That's good news.
Agreed. If they did they would start from the beginning, not for where Arthaus left off. If you felt the Player's Handbook was a bad buy, what could the possibly offer us to justify restarting all the collection (for the exact same system) all over again?
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? ! ? IMC dark powers are evil and although an official answer hasn't been given, I believe they should be evil.
IMC the Dark Powers have no alignment entirely.
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Joël of the Fraternity wrote:If it can be relevant. Here's an interview given by top WotC guys in charge of RPG management. People were asking about future releases and trends:

"Q: Mini campaigns or other campaigns or just focus on Forgotten Realms?

A: We're going to focus on what we have. In the past, the TSR folks discovered that the more campaign settings you support at any one time, you split your audience into tiny fractious groups who hate each other. We want to preserve what we managed to create and sustain in 3rd edition. It's all D&D. We encourage you to find whatever you like in Forgotten Realms and put it in whatever you're playing. Heroes of Horror can template over your campaign that changes the flavor slightly. Heroes books are not mini-campaigns, that's ways to add flavor and style to your campaign, adventure, etc. Race series, Terrain series, they're all about dropping the elements into your campaign. So you can create interesting campaign scenarios for yourselves."

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It was found at http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php ... ad&order=0
Sounds like some flawed logic to me. If those campaign settings had never existed in the first place, then perhaps D&D players wouldn't have been fractured into these so-called fractious groups that hate each other. However, by refusing to update the majority of these settings, what they're doing isn't really bringing players together. It may look like that, but what they're really doing is cutting off fans who loved the settings that didn't make it to 3e. If the D&D community appears more unified now, it's mostly because the other "fractious groups" are being ignored.
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JinnTolser wrote: Sounds like some flawed logic to me. If those campaign settings had never existed in the first place, then perhaps D&D players wouldn't have been fractured into these so-called fractious groups that hate each other. However, by refusing to update the majority of these settings, what they're doing isn't really bringing players together. It may look like that, but what they're really doing is cutting off fans who loved the settings that didn't make it to 3e. If the D&D community appears more unified now, it's mostly because the other "fractious groups" are being ignored.
Nah, it makes sense. In coming into the third edition, WotC made the decision to focus on the generic tools for the d20 system. Instead of breaking themselves across ten or twelve different campaign worlds that only got a silver of attention each they would produce what you needed to do it yourself. Greyhawk was kept as the default setting and Forgotten Realms because it's popularity was through the roof (especially compared to all the other settings). Later on they realized that they needed to introduce a new setting to mark the new edition and lo, Eberron was created.

You also have to remember that other settings generally weren't that huge. You won't find anything that resembles Athas.org or the Fraternity dealing with Kara-Tur, Maztica, Mystra, or Spelljammer. The amount of time and money it costs to produce a product (mixed with a fairly low turnout if it is setting specific for a weaker line) just doesn't keep a company running in the end. TSR proved that.

Now WotC works to create "keystone" products (those that give new insights or approaches to certain topics like cold weather, dwarves, or magic weapons) and two extremely profitable settings. The setting you love existed in 2e, and has all the information you need to use it. If you're looking for mechanics or a new take on the setting, look at all of the third party publishers out there. You'll find what you want.

It isn't that they're ignoring the groups that liked a setting, it's that they can't justify the cost to their shareholders (don't start complaining about capitalism! If you do, start pointing the finger at WW for dropping Ravenloft). No company can do that, especially when there are alternative ways to approach the problem. WotC gives you the tools to recreate the campagin world yourself because they don't have the time or money to support all their old settings in the way people want.

You may disagree with me, but here's a little test. Try to map out a 12 month publishing schedule which releases two books every month, and provide an even amount of material to all of their settings (new and old) while still producing new general material. Remember, if you add more books to the schedule quality drops across the board due to lack of manpower and funds. Not supporting a setting means ignoring a group of players, so you can't allow that either.

If you can work out a schedule like that I'm sure WotC will pick you up to head their finances in moment.

Also remember that WotC isn't being an ogre and hoarding the settings for themselves. They're willing to sell rights to companies that want them. If a particular setting is really that popular a company can purchase the rights, or will have already created something fairly similar to fill it's niche.
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I agree with you Tobias but remember:

WotC could very well publish 3 books more in a year. Meaning that WotC could easily publish the Core Rule book with Players/DM's info about the abandoned campaign worlds. Just one book for each setting.

This of course isn't particularly good about Ravenloft but I sympathize with all those Darksun players, Birthright players etc. that haven't seen anything.
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alhoon wrote:I agree with you Tobias but remember:

WotC could very well publish 3 books more in a year. Meaning that WotC could easily publish the Core Rule book with Players/DM's info about the abandoned campaign worlds. Just one book for each setting.

This of course isn't particularly good about Ravenloft but I sympathize with all those Darksun players, Birthright players etc. that haven't seen anything.
We had 19 books.
They could add another three books (assuming that doesn't drop quality, which I doubt), but for what settings? Even if you added those extra books I don't think it would be possible to complete the excercise I suggested above.

I would love to see Dark Sun in print, or even a book on Birthright, but I'd rather have more general material from WotC than have them put out a single book that interests me every six months. If it was possible to give each setting full support, they'd be on it in a moment, but it isn't possible. It wouldn't be profitable and they'd go under fairly quickly.
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I'm really upset that Wizards now has control of Ravenloft. I shuder in horror at how the planescape setting was butchered by wizards, and I almost hope they don't print ravenloft stuff for fear of what they would do to it.
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I think the only way we will see any new books by Wizard of the Coast is if Heroes of Horror sells well, and I mean gangbusters. If they do Start Publishihg book, I bet they will start over with either a setting book or Ravenloft Player's Book. I do see any new setting book having alot of the non core Darklord stats, Like Domains of Dread. I think any advise for mood and such would be only in Hereos of Horror, so I wounder what else they could put in a new setting book for Ravenloft. I guess new spells and classes, and once again a few rules for Ravenloft specific.
I wounder if it would be any better then the setting Book Arthaus prodcuded. I remeber people being dissappointed in the Dragonlance setting book that WOTC produced,
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ZombieTonyBlair wrote:I'm really upset that Wizards now has control of Ravenloft. I shuder in horror at how the planescape setting was butchered by wizards, and I almost hope they don't print ravenloft stuff for fear of what they would do to it.
They haven't printed any Planescape stuff. They've printed planar stuff that uses some of Planescape as a basis, but they aren't doing the setting. So I wouldn't worry about them butchering Ravenloft. The closest they might come will be some Monsternomicons and Heroes of Horror, neither of which are meant specifically for Ravenloft, though they would have uses.
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If WOTC did pubilish any Ravenloft book, which I doubt they will, It won't happen till after June of 2006. Also that Book would be a new setting book, becuase Arthaus's verison would no longer be in print.
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I was thinking., I wish WOTC would publish a book on Dreams and nightmares, so we would have the basic rules for the Nightmare Lands.
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midnightcat wrote:I was thinking., I wish WOTC would publish a book on Dreams and nightmares, so we would have the basic rules for the Nightmare Lands.
I there's stuff in the Manual of the Planes on the dream plane, which you can easily use with the Nightmare Lands boxed set.
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