Rafael's Teufeldorf Thread

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Hi all,

Sad news - I stopped writing on this a few days ago.
On Friday, I broke up with my girlfriend from four years, and now,
while I am busy telling everyone that I am okay while I am clearly not ( sad :wink: ), I just can't concentrate on fantastical musings at the moment.
Sorry for unloading my emotional rubbish here, but right now, I feel just bad and I just cannot do something that would normally make me happy.

See you soon,

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I'm sorry to hear that Rafael. Get well soon.
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Rafael wrote:Hi all,

Sad news - I stopped writing on this a few days ago.
On Friday, I broke up with my girlfriend from four years
Ouch! I feel for you man, I broke up with my girlfriend last week on Thursday.

Same deal - I've had to keep this news from most my friends, and the few that I've told I have to say I'm doing fine.

It'll pass, as all things do in the fullness of time, and you'll be stronger for it. At least, that's what I hope. Meanwhile, I'm throwing myself into some creative work to bide the time. If you ever decide it's time to pick up your quill and go back to the Teufeldorf Tower, we'll all be here to help you!

(And meanwhile if you get any neat ideas about the Black Vault, feel free to shunt them my way!)
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Hi all,

Long time, no see. :wink: Thank you for you friendly words.
HMB, hope you are okay as well!

I am fine now, or so I think, albeit my time for leisure is over.
I'll try to complete the article, though, if I find the time. Now, with all the university trouble coming up this autumn, frankly, the chances are small.
Now, I'll look and see if I can cook out something.
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The Ba'al Verzi, they aren't just killers and they aren't just thugs. Clearly there is an opportunity to create interesting motivations.

For me the Ba'al Verzi are some secret society for the most part. There are contracts for kills but they don't happen everyday. So what do they do they other days? I often wonder if they have a group of mage assassins with crafting skills making things in the basement. Like for example, poisons, scrolls, rings, the signature daggers. Basically, improving themselves making ways of generating capital (unless of course they are just to rich for their own good) Are there any connections with the Red Vardo Traders? They have unscrupleous methods to. Could it be that the 'assassin' arm of the RVT is the Ba'al Verzi? That might not work since the RVT are usually after items which would make the Ba'al Verzi thieves too. From my other thread and the ones quoted about good ol' Leo Dilisnya and his Ba'al Verzi connections.

Of course Strahd knows about them, but part of the nature of a darklord is to be distracted by other things in your domain or your agenda or of a sense of the apathy toward them just because they don't pose a threat.

Seems to me that the Ba'al Verzi keep a pretty low profile in general terms. Using agents or alias' when dealing with the outside world.
As to how many there are that is interesting.
Gaz1 says Nicu and a handful of the other leadership are nosferatu. In the RL listserve archive it says that the numbers dwindled to less than 13. Of course the rest of this history posted there is off-canon I think as there is no mention of Nicu (personally I think Nicu could be a great character)
But it would reason out why they disappeared or laid low.

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GoldenGoblin wrote: I often wonder if they have a group of mage assassins with crafting skills making things in the basement. Like for example, poisons, scrolls, rings, the signature daggers. Basically, improving themselves making ways of generating capital (unless of course they are just to rich for their own good)

I doubt that they have even a "group of mage assassins" let alone that those run a craft shop to buff up or generate wealth. They are nto the Mafia, they are a secret society of cold blodded murderer mercenaries. Also there are only very few ba'al verzi around. The whole "You own mother could be a Baal Verzi" thing is partially a myth or propaganda. (Though this could also be tied to the daggers, see below...) And they don't have the need for poison scrolls, rings or generating capital. They kill only with the dagger. As for the money Nicu Moldonesti is a noble, so he's bound to be rich. The few other high ups are bound to be also at least confortable imho.

Though I do wonder where they get/how they make their signature daggers. Perhaps they are heirlooms, passed down through the ages or perhaps a certain Daemon who is involved with Barovia from the Beginning and who once stayed in Teufeldorf is involved in crafting new ones. And perhaps the daggers have an influence on those who wield them. (As in Stu's campaign or in the article "The Ba'al Verzi Knife" from the Book of Sorrows)

So all it takes is someone to place a dagger into your own mothers hand... Fiendish. :evil: :twisted:
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More sources for the Ba'al Verzi:

The main references to the Ba'al Verzi are in the novels Vampire of the Mists and I, Strahd.

Stu's campaign journal details the story of a young Rogue who discovers his dark heritage and damnation all due to a Ba'al Verzi knife he inherited. It is available on the Veranda and a very interesting read. The wielder of the dagger, discovers he's descended from a Von Zarovich who murdered his own wife. In the end he murders the ghost of his own mother (again) with the dagger, thus becoming a true Ba'al Verzi, and gets picked up by a certain black carriage to serve the Master of the Land.

The excellent article "The Ba'al Verzi Knife" from Book of Sorrows is available at the Kargatane site. It paints a different picture of the original Ba'al Verzi dagger which Strahd used, as it here houses the soul of Sergei and prompts the wielder - a Darkonian student and antiques afficionado - to fall in love with Tatyana's reincarnations and be a thorn in Strahd's side.

A very interesting post on RAVENLOFT-L: Ba'al Verzi as a Secret Society. Far from canon but still interesting.
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The Giamarga wrote:I wonder where they get/how they make their signature daggers. Perhaps they are heirlooms, passed down through the ages or perhaps a certain Daemon who is involved with Barovia from the Beginning and who once stayed in Teufeldorf is involved in crafting new ones...
that is an interesting question. Someone has some crafting skills. Or maybe some other dark secret (like a bound fiend who can give wishes)
If there is any credence given to the listserve posting then after Leo was taken out of the picture there were a few Ba'als who
listserve wrote: In 500, after a year and a half of secret meetings and assasinations, Carlos Viadi, a mage, was elected the new Ba'al. from 500 to 567 the Ba'al Verzi dropped from the face of existance. They became of a more scholarly bent and researched the properties of the ever growing demiplane. By 698, 3 Ba'alslater, they had a secret hand in creating the Fraternity of Shadows and always has 1 Verzi in the inner circle of the orginization.
this seems like this would be in line. Then after this they mention the 'black skinned man' (vampire) who should be Nicu and not a outlander. Or perhaps he is.
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In response to the last post above: The article from RAVENLOFT-L is very much non-canon, as it involves WoD Vampire clans. And the following part of the article/listservpost makes me doubt tha the author did much research on canon sources for the verzi:
Ok after the fall of ILeo Dislyana or whatever his name was, the Ba'al Verzi dropped off the face of the earth. Now then. I decided that its time to shed some more light upon the subject. I proudly
present the Ba'al Verzi as a secret society in the same format as DoD.
But bits and parts of it could be weaved into the story of the Verzi, esp as the black-skinned man fits so very well for Nicu Moldonesti. Also i am not sure if the events in the article fit with the timeline.
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Did I ever do this? I think this became the "Strahd's bard" article, later on.

*Vile Necro is vile.*

I have one question, though - do the Ba'al verzi have any known symbols?
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Bwahahahaa..... just what I was looking for. Whoever Necro'd this thread back form the depths has earned my 'undying' gratitude. <.< Whatever that means.... :twisted:

Anyways, DMing my Ravenloft campaign yesterday and they actually made it to Teufeldorf! Got to see what I can cook up for them however....

I also need to seperate Zeidenberg and Teufeldorf in my head since they seemed to have merged into one when i was checking their entries in Gaz 1 yesterday. doh!
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I just read through this thread, in regards to the Sheriff von Zarovich, has anyone considered this. Make the entire background player information and information that the general population knows, and it is all false information spread by the Vespertine. In truth there has been several figurehead "Sheriffs" all of which died in various ways in service to Strahd and the Vespertine. The gargoyles are just a small band of thieves and warriors employed by the Vespertine, to deal with the Gundarkite rebels. The Priest is just a nut in the middle of the woods on his own (recruited just to keep an eye on the nut) and the few wizards that serve occupy a village that actually died out due to starvation during a harsh winter prior to entry into the demiplane rather than one wiped out by the "Sheriff". No undead souls haunting it just a number if powerful illusions and gas-lighting traps. Seriously teach those Players who snoop a lesson by leaving the chapter open while you go nip off to the kitchen or something and watch them freak when they get introduced to the "Sheriff". :twisted:
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Le Noir Faineant wrote:Did I ever do this? I think this became the "Strahd's bard" article, later on.

*Vile Necro is vile.*

I have one question, though - do the Ba'al verzi have any known symbols?
The colors red, gold and black are significant to them.
High Priest Mikhal wrote:"lacquered black, gold, and red to represent the blood they spill, the shadows that hide them, and the gold that motivates them."
Incidently the same colors are typical for Strahd with his red trimmed black cape and gold pendant with red stone.
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Really? We go there? :D

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lol^

I'm a bit naïve on national flags.... is that spain? forgive me if I get it wrong! xD
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