Talk:The Isle of the Ravens

I recommend moving "The Isle of the Ravens" to "Isle of the Ravens" because it interferes with alphabetization for categorization. I'll leave it to the Admin, though, as I'm not sure how Catalogue imports would work after that. --Nerit 08:58, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

On second glance, there's a whole bunch of other "The" pages in Category:Domain. Why are some religions standardized without an article while many domains are not? Are they really stylized with "The" in every book? Now I've gone and confused myself. --Nerit 09:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, I tried to follow what wikipedia does for lack of any other guidance.

From the Wikipedia manual of style:

A, an, and the are normally avoided as the first word (Economy of the Second Empire, not The economy of the Second Empire), unless part of a proper noun (The Hague).

From the Wikipedia naming conventions:

Avoid definite and indefinite articles: Do not place definite or indefinite articles (the, a and an) at the beginning of titles unless they are part of a proper name (e.g. The Old Man and the Sea) or otherwise change the meaning (e.g. The Crown).

Note that even Wikipedia is inconsistent on this point. Look at w:The Netherlands w:The Office w:The Hague w:The Bronx & w:The United Kingdom for some examples. Since domain names are proper names, I kept the "The" for those that have one. I see your point re: alphabetizing, but I don't think it will cause too much confusion as long as the appropriate redirects are in place.

I'm open to discussion on it... -- Gonzoron 20:30, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

See also w:The Catholic Church for a data point that suggests the religions shouldn't have "The". -- Gonzoron 20:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I realized after my post how inconsistent everything--not just Ravenloft naming conventions-- is. English is so like that. I suppose I'm trying to be tidier than is really possible in these situations. A similar problem occurs with case sensitive categories and pages, like Flesh golem versus Flesh Golem, which I saw you moved. w:Wikipedia:Case_sensitivity seems to be clear that it depends on what its title is. So, in this case, do the books always refer to the monsters as Flesh Golems? --Nerit 01:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)