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That'd be "Werewolf's Shadow", aka "The Werewolf vs. the Vampire Woman", aka "La noche de Walpurgis", 1971, by Leon Klimovsky, right?

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And, now we enter the real stuff:

Our setting here is called "Ravenloft". Which was the first Gothic location
with "Raven-" in its name?

As a hint, the author wrote a few articles discussing Gothic cliches for the "European Magazine"... In 1808! :wifred:
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Rafael wrote:That'd be "Werewolf's Shadow", aka "The Werewolf vs. the Vampire Woman", aka "La noche de Walpurgis", 1971, by Leon Klimovsky, right?

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And, now we enter the real stuff:

Our setting here is called "Ravenloft". Which was the first Gothic location
with "Raven-" in its name?
I don't think so, Rafael. If I'm not mistaken, that's a film by Paul Naschy, who is Spanish and has nothing to do with Hammer.
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:) I meant this one: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0066160/

I am not too schooled in Hammer lore, though. It was more of a wild guess. :)
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Rafael wrote::) I meant this one: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0066160/

I am not too schooled in Hammer lore, though. It was more of a wild guess. :)
Yes, I know. A Paul Naschy film, as you can see. His best know, and one of the few to be famous by an English name. But that was not the answer ;-)
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Ail wrote: Yes, saw that one too. I like her in both films, but the lighting and the forest scenes in The Wolfman are more eerie :)
Yeah agreed, the Wolfman is such a classic! Atmospheric, eerie and great acting and scripting. Along with Bride of Frankenstein and the Mummy, one of the greatest original Universal Horror films ever! (FmeetsW was a cheesy, and light-hearted follow-up, and the Festival of New Wine scene makes it even more of a favorite for me!)

BTW good question bout the shadow/vampire thing. . . 8) I'm stumped! :shock:
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I *think* you're looking for "The Brides of Dracula", where the vampire was trapped in a windmill when the hunters turned the windmill-blades to create a cross-shaped shadow. It also meant he couldn't escape when the mill started burning.
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Griselda wrote:I *think* you're looking for "The Brides of Dracula", where the vampire was trapped in a windmill when the hunters turned the windmill-blades to create a cross-shaped shadow. It also meant he couldn't escape when the mill started burning.
That is exactly right!
That's one of the most original vampire deaths I have seen, and the scene where the mill catches fire, and the blades stay immobile with the flames coming from behind, is shot beautifully (imho).

Despite the title, Dracula has no connection whatsoever to this film, it was just a way to profit on the name for better marketing. But it's stil an enjoyable film.

I found there are quite a few present in youtube, and so you can check this scene at


(Unfortunately, in youtube this doesn't seem so great. I saw it in a regular TV and the effect was much different.)

Griselda, next question please :)
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LadySoth wrote:
Ail wrote: Yes, saw that one too. I like her in both films, but the lighting and the forest scenes in The Wolfman are more eerie :)
Yeah agreed, the Wolfman is such a classic! Atmospheric, eerie and great acting and scripting. Along with Bride of Frankenstein and the Mummy, one of the greatest original Universal Horror films ever! (FmeetsW was a cheesy, and light-hearted follow-up, and the Festival of New Wine scene makes it even more of a favorite for me!)

BTW good question bout the shadow/vampire thing. . . 8) I'm stumped! :shock:
Bride of Frankenstein is my favourite of the Frankenstein Universal films, although I haven't seen Abbot and Costello, and the Ghost of F. So I may be missing out. But I love Karloff in the first two movies. There are two scenes I like particularly in this one: 1) the one where the monster meets the hermit, and just up to the point where the hermit recites his prayer and the monster sheds a tear; 2) and the whole scene where the monster meets Doctor Pretorius... mainly for the dialogue.

There are things I wish this film did not have, like the irritating maid that seems to be comic-relif and Dr Pretorius' homunculi, who also seem to 'comic' for this film. But in general, I think it was very good. In comparison, I didn't like Son of Frankenstein that much, although it's generally high-rated too.

Mummy I have yet to see, though :(

As for 'F meets W', it has poor critics now and then, but I liked the film too. Coming to it after I had seen Young Frankenstein years ago made some difference, as I recognized some of the scenes. Yes, the wine festival is a good one, but I keep confusing it in my mind with the latter's one, which was decidedly more comedic. The bad part in this film, though, is Bela Lugosi's monster :( This had a very bad review in http://www.1000misspenthours.com/, but in general I don't agree with much of the reviewer's opinions. Usually I like these reviews, but other times I think he sees the films too fast and thinks too little.
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Rafael wrote: And, now we enter the real stuff:

Our setting here is called "Ravenloft". Which was the first Gothic location
with "Raven-" in its name?

As a hint, the author wrote a few articles discussing Gothic cliches for the "European Magazine"... In 1808! :wifred:
I've lost the game, but I'll chime in and answer my own question, FYI:

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Written in 1808 by George Brewer, The Witch of Ravensworth is not that much more recent than ‘Skeleton, but the prose is significantly different and flows much better. The structure of the story, interestingly enough, is quite similar to ‘Skeleton in general, though it differs in the specifics.


The amoral Baron de La Braunch will stop at nothing to achieve his goals – even eliminating loved ones who are under his care and protection. After marrying the widowed Lady Bertha, he realizes that her voluminous inheritance will go to her late husband’s son rather than his own, and he vows to remove the inconsiderate boy.

He turns to The Hag, a hideous old woman who lives in the countryside around his estate. She is rumored to be involved in horrifying witchcraft. When she makes an unexpected appearance at the Baron’s wedding and utters a curse against the bride, the Baron realizes that The Hag could be the appropriate tool for his tasks.

The Hag is a fascinating character. In her discussions with the Baron, she freely admits her diabolical ways, and entices him into making a pact with her dark lord in exchange for the elimination of the boy. She later encourages him to bargain his way deeper into damnation by offering to remove all obstacles from his path and provide him all that his heart desires. Her demands, and the depictions of demonic rituals, are effective and creepy, even more so considering the era in which the book was written.

The story combines elements of Macbeth and Faust, along with its own unique little touches. The Baron gradually comes to realize that his newfound success does not lead him to happiness, but he has been drawn down a road upon which he cannot turn back.

Much like The Animated Skeleton, the story of the Witch has a surprise ‘twist’ ending that will no doubt leave many modern readers unsatisfied (though Witch’s twist is much better thought out than that of ‘Skeleton). In spite of this, the book is a fast, enjoyable Gothic read, and definitely one that has been neglected for far too long.
http://skullsinthestars.com/2008/06/03/ ... vensworth/

...And this was the first a compound name with "Raven-" was recorded in the anals of Gothic literary history...
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Thanks, Raf. I'm sorry you had to answer your own question, but I was really hoping to have the time to track it down and answer it, just for completeness :)

By the way, since I know you're quite knowledgeable in Gothic Lit, I have a question I hope you could answer. Wolfman, the film, was not based on any literary source, and although we can name a few vampires from literature, I don't know of any _famous_ werewolf book or tale from that time. Is there are any?

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Ail wrote:By the way, since I know you're quite knowledgeable in Gothic Lit, I have a question I hope you could answer. Wolfman, the film, was not based on any literary source, and although we can name a few vampires from literature, I don't know of any _famous_ werewolf book or tale from that time. Is there are any?
That's pretty complicated, because the were-wolf, or, in general human-into-animal shapechanger, is deeply rooted in European folklore. (See, for example the medieval French poems "Bisclavret" and "Guillaume de Palerme", which might have been decissive for the later portrayal of werewolves in particular; note that both wolves of the poems are not particularly evil.)

Usually, this the source that is given as the first (popular) description of a werewolf in modern fiction:

Frederick Maryat, "The Phantom Ship", 1839; Chapter "The White Wolf of the Hartz Mountains". (Woman turns into demonic wolf.)

Never read that one, though.

You might find first tracks on that in one of these other books, earlier to Maryat's tale:

http://www.valancourtbooks.com/terrifictales.html

- In there is a tale in which a young woman is transformed into a black cat. (Note the switch: The werebeast is now female!)


I also dimly recall a werewolf appearing here, but I am not sure:

http://www.valancourtbooks.com/thenecromancer.html


In any case, I'd dare to say the the most lasting description of a man turning into a beast is Rudyard Kipling's "The Mark of the Beast"; that one most likely influenced the aesthetics of the genre more than those classic tales.












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Rafael -- That story in "Terrific Tales" sounds like it inspired Algernon Blackwood's short "Ancient Sorceries". There are women turning into black cats, but it's more involved with diabolic witchcraft rather than lycanthropy.

Okay, question time:

Name the murderous pair who haunted Edinburgh's low-rent district in 1827-1828. Bonus point to name their method of killing.
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Brooke and Hare.

I believe suffocation was the method.
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Sorry, not quite. And there's a specific word I'm looking for in the bonus question.
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Are you thinking of the pair that run a pastry or something, killed their victims and baked them in their wares, to sell later?

The names escape me, but there is certainly a touch of cannibalism in this story, if that's the magic word you're looking for.
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