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Speedwagon wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:02 pm Another great QtR this year!

Teddy and Sammy
What can I say, I like Rock's drawing style! I've liked it since I saw it first in ChibiLoft and then I got to read Sarcantasy and see it more. Teddy and Sammy are cute, and a lovely thing to read whenever I'm going through a mammoth QtR (while this one isn't the same length as #30, it's still quite long!).
Thank you so much! :) I appreciate the comment (and the fact you're also following my non-Ravenloft work).

This year's colour portrait of Teddy & Sammy was made by a good friend of mine, who also does commissions, by the way.
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Speedwagon wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 6:02 pm The Broken Cog
I've kept up with DocNecrotic's work on his blog for a while and I'd been interested in his idea of "the Broken Cog" cluster. While he gave snippets and brief summaries of each domain and what they did, this is much more my style and much more filling for my appetite. Of the domains present, I was immediately drawn to Nosos and Alleigosto the most (though I did like Ichthytos and Belagora and Rockbaecche, especially for their strong roots in games like "Thief" and "Dishonored"). The DPs for Alleigosto and the link to Mystara really tickled my fancy, and I very much liked the subversion in Nosos regarding Malus Sceleris not being the most powerful "robber baron" (to use American Gilded Age parlance). I do wish that there might've been more focus or even mention of do-gooder factions or even of other "decadent distractions" to give the populace a reason to keep going. Nosos is one of those domains that, in 2e's Islands of Terror supplement, went *way* too heavy on the "grimdark" and, in my opinion, forgot about the beauty and hopeful spots and aspects of Ravenloft that make it a place worth fighting for. Things like Pelsjager and Sons, even with the rumors, are welcome if only because it helps avoid that darkness-induced-audience/player-apathy. Otherwise, I very much look forward to more from you, Doc!
Thanks for the feedback! I was concerned about adding too much into one article. I did cut out a little bit for Nosos unfortunately. It's something I'll need to do for either a follow up article or an expanded gazetteer document. Both are of interest to me. Though, truth be told? I struggled to make this version of Nosos have any hope. In retrospect, having potential do-gooders be bank rolled by the corrupt Duke from Alleigosto might have furthered the grimdark. It's a parasitic city on a dying and mutated land. So-called New Timor has more hope than Nosos, and that's a scrapped ruins governed by feuding warlords. Glad you noticed that Gilded Age America as a huge inspiration for my take on Nosos. I didn't want to shift the theming and style too much, but it's certainly there in presentation.
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Thaan Fallen
By Ian Fordam

By the time I started roleplaying, it was the time of the third edition. Though I have since gathered some second edition materials, I do not know so very much of Bluetspur. I liked the article that detailed Seldrig's fall from grace and explained how an Illithid Elder Brain could sin.
So let me thank you for this article; you've showed me a lot of detail and creativity that makes Bluetspur live and breathe and gives people caught there a chance to survive (though probably not thrive).
You made Bluetspur more than 'that inhospitable, Lovecraftian place ruled by Illithid where you can't do anything but lose'.
I like Four came to Melesku'ta best out of your contributions for this year, but this article is still a treasure.

Of the NPCs you present in the article, I especially like Thuxa, Queen Hazel, Brovna Grimeye and Grathelax. An ambitious would-be Dragon; a Druid who has created safe ground and fostered nature in her madness; a duergar who follows the path of pragmatism rather than spite; and al alhoon in opposition to the God-Brain. I can see each of these making for a memorable adventure in Bluetspur. (I'd appreciate some statistics here and there. :wink:)
Trellin's and Jenyi's story left me feeling sad for them. :cry: In that, it is well-crafted.

How would the Hope Lights fare if they were transplanted to Kalidnay? There should be plenty of psionic potential there for them to snack on... though I imagine the locals would also have plenty of weapons with which to fight back.
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Baron Von Stanton wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:57 pm You drank out of the cadmium red "PSPSPSPSPS" Number52H3Λ, didn't you?
I thought it would taste like cinnamon!
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Rock of the Fraternity wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:15 pm Thaan Fallen
By Ian Fordam

By the time I started roleplaying, it was the time of the third edition. Though I have since gathered some second edition materials, I do not know so very much of Bluetspur. I liked the article that detailed Seldrig's fall from grace and explained how an Illithid Elder Brain could sin.
So let me thank you for this article; you've showed me a lot of detail and creativity that makes Bluetspur live and breathe and gives people caught there a chance to survive (though probably not thrive).
You made Bluetspur more than 'that inhospitable, Lovecraftian place ruled by Illithid where you can't do anything but lose'.
I like Four came to Melesku'ta best out of your contributions for this year, but this article is still a treasure.
Thank you for your kind words, including your comments on both Melesku'ta and Strigoi. I am delighted by all three reviews.
Rock of the Fraternity wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:15 pm Of the NPCs you present in the article, I especially like Thuxa, Queen Hazel, Brovna Grimeye and Grathelax. An ambitious would-be Dragon; a Druid who has created safe ground and fostered nature in her madness; a duergar who follows the path of pragmatism rather than spite; and al alhoon in opposition to the God-Brain. I can see each of these making for a memorable adventure in Bluetspur. (I'd appreciate some statistics here and there. :wink:)
Trellin's and Jenyi's story left me feeling sad for them. :cry: In that, it is well-crafted.
I will admit that Trellin and Jenyi are my favorites. Apparently I like having my heart broken.
Rock of the Fraternity wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 4:15 pm How would the Hope Lights fare if they were transplanted to Kalidnay? There should be plenty of psionic potential there for them to snack on... though I imagine the locals would also have plenty of weapons with which to fight back.
I think the Hope Lights would prosper in Kalidnay. Yes, more creatures could harm them, but there would be just. So. Much. Tasty. Food!
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Srtigoi are interesting but having no souls is a bit too much for my tastes.
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The Broken Cog
Brian "Doctor Necrotic" Rubenfeld

Rumor has it that Doc Necrotic is planning to release an expanded version of this article, which makes me happy. I've read through the article twice, but I still haven't wrapped my head around the Broken Cog cluster. However, I have gleaned a number of enticing tidbits, and I look forward to the expansion.

I offer the following suggestions in the hope that they may be useful:
  • An overview of the cluster would be beneficial. I'm particularly interested in a summary of the present-day dynamics among the various domains.
  • Similarly, I think that each domain would benefit from a quick introductory summary. I know that a current popular approach is to start with an entire section describing the theme of a domain. However, even a quick paragraph or two, in the style of the introductions used in Islands of Terror, might prove useful to readers. Something like, "Alleigosto is a land of innovations whose lord fears progress."
  • Consider providing adventure hooks to help the reader understand what sorts of adventures might take place in each domain. You offer some juicy dread possibilities, but many of those emphasize societal situations rather than adventuring opportunities.
  • As a technical detail, consider boldfacing the names of important new people, places, and factions when they are first introduced. As Strahdsbuddy pointed out in a review of an earlier Quoth, that makes important names easier to pick out when skimming.
However, I do also want to mention some of those tidbits which enticed me:
  • I think that Malus Sceleris' sensitivity to nature is a wonderfully apt curse. Expanding his domain beyond a single city is a good idea.
  • The re-expansion of Zherisia is interesting. I appreciate that you have incorporated Paridon's time as an island of terror, which simplifies the task of anyone who might want to incorporate material from Hour of the Knife or the Survey of Zherisia.
  • Your description of Malachi Cross and the Hell Coal Express evoked some wonderful imagery.
Looking forward to the expansion! And thank you for submitting this article in the first place.
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Puppeteer Parasite
Brian "Doctor Necrotic" Rubenfeld

I appreciate succinct articles which are just long enough to cover their material. "Puppeteer Parasite" is just such an article. It gives a bit of background, presents its subject (appearance, combat, goals), and then offers suggestions for how such horrors might fit into the Ravenloft setting. Short. Simple. Straightforward.
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The Broken Cog
By Doctor Necrotic

You clearly put a lot of work into this, and I also would like to see an expanded version. :)

My first recommendation would be to shift the timeline you put at the beginning to the end of the article; that way, people will have a better idea of what was happening when and to whom.
I liked that the various domains have such strong links, but I agree with Ian that introductory summaries of the separate domains and the Cluster at large would be good. The captioned blocks of information found at the start of the Gazetteer articles are in no way mandatory, but they're useful shorthand for readers to build their perception of your domains on.

* Alleigosto. A land of progress, with a technophobic Darklord who wishes to turn back the clock. It works, and the Duke's acts of terror across the borders fit him well. If anything, he could be more involved in harassing neighbouring domains.
* I really liked the concept of Belagora's Darklord Hive. It's a fresh new possibility, and the notion of it draining the bodies of its constituents, then reanimating them as people puppets is chilling.
* Darkheath ... had too much redacted and unexplained (albeit with helpful references to existing articles) for me to really get into it. :-/ The way it's currently written, it might as well be contested land between the other more bellicose domains without a lord of its own. I did like your description of the various departments and their grim commitment to a sunk cost fallacy instead of trying to actually end the war.
* Ichthyos: I see you there, 'Obed' Elos. Obed Marsh, anyone? :wink: This whole domain seems like Innsmouth writ large, with the domain's curse of being relevant only as a producer of food instead of a nexus of culture and learning very appropriate to a Darklord who sold his soul for material wealth and physical immortality. The 'distinct color' reminded of Lovecraft story the color out of space; will we learn more of this in the expanded article? :)
* Nosos, Nosos, Nosos... One of my least favourite domains - but this is in no way due to your skill at writing about it! The idea of having to pay a subcription fee for fresh air and water is not a new one, but it is still chilling in its implications. I like that Malus is not simply chided and made to feel guilty by nature, but that he is cursed to share its suffering. Another reference to the color out of space makes me wonder whether this taint is shared between Nosos and Ichthyos in spite of the intervening sea. I liked Dr. Herman K. Wilder at least speaking up for the Noson people's suffering under their dehumanizing conditions of filth and pollution. The nod to SCP - D-class - was amusing in itself, but makes me wonder whether you'll do more with this.
* The concept of Rockbaecche reminded me initially of Twelve Monkeys - the main difference being that the lunatic who unleashes the plague is driven by a desire for power and control, rather than someone desiring to preserve the planet at the cost of humanity. Regrettably, motivation is not as important as result. The description of Rockbaecche's society brings back unpleasant memories of the height of the pandemic.
* Zherisia. I assume you redacted several points of information because they've been handled in other resources, but I think it's a shame; these redactions break the flow of an otherwise enjoyable article. Giving back the Zherisian countryside, and causing culture shock by having everyone there appearing to have been in stasis, was a clever idea; the Zherisians are still trapped by appearance, but now they're desperately clinging to a semblance of normalcy rather than concern about impostors in their midst. Malachi Cross's tale and his epithet of "the Barmy Bomber" reminded me of the Paridoner tabloid rags; well done!

One thing I missed in this article is a writeup of the major players. It would be nice to see their powers outlined a bit more than just the class + level description, if or when you get around to the expanded article.
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Puppeteer Parasite
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A nicely nasty monster. If you write an expanded Broken Cog gazetteer, you might consider adding a writeup of this beastie to its DM's section?
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Ardaghy
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Another good piece of fiction by this year's MVP, IanFordam!
Youen and Brody's entanglement was a powerful part of this depiction of Nidala. The display of how blind loyalty to an unworthy ruler can approach insanity is another. This story was very much in keeping with the Gothic roots of Ravenloft, with a hero fighting as best he could to preserve what light remains, even though the forces of darkness are like the ocean tide in their scope and power - and do not even fully recognize their own evil.

If I have one regret about Ardaghy, it might be that it was set before your next article, Beneath the Eye of Belenus, denying the reader some useful background material. That one's probably on me, as I proofed both articles and didn't mark a preferred order for publication.
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Major thanks to both Ian and Rock. These are great things for expanding my gazetteer idea. Part of my problem is that I wanted to rely on links, whether to Threshold Magazine or to my blog... or canon sources/fanon gazetteer, in the case of Zherisia. The "Redacted" was a space saving measure so I didn't have to reprint content from either source. I plan on rectifying this. Plus, I'm hoping Ashtagon from The Piazza is interested in some zoomed in maps for each domain, because I had to scrap a bunch of locales. A lot had to be cut in general, as I was worried about overloading the magazine. This is a mistake I'll happily correct. Likewise, the parasite wouldn't be the only monster I'd want to add in a DM's section. I have more Lovecraft pastiches I wish to add, mixed with other flavours (as Ichthyos is partially based on a period of Greece as it's attempting to liberate itself and other lands from Ottoman rule). Likewise, I have a lacking in technological horrors, like the Automatons and Machine Men (both inspired by Deadlands the Weird West). The real kicker for me is that my original blog series did have intro blurbs. I'll certainly sample those. That said, many domains underwent revamps from that version, Belagora having the largest change.
A gazetteer would benefit from me expanding the pocket domain proposals I've made, like the Hell Coal Express! Malachi Cross used to be a player character turned villain in a RL game, just a fun fact I wanna toss out. :azalin:
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doctornecrotic wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:08 am Major thanks to both Ian and Rock. These are great things for expanding my gazetteer idea. Part of my problem is that I wanted to rely on links, whether to Threshold Magazine or to my blog... or canon sources/fanon gazetteer, in the case of Zherisia. The "Redacted" was a space saving measure so I didn't have to reprint content from either source. I plan on rectifying this.
For me, at least, the redactions in the Zherisia section would have been much less distracting with a simple footnote to whatever source you consider closest to the Broken Cog take on Paridon.
doctornecrotic wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:08 am Plus, I'm hoping Ashtagon from The Piazza is interested in some zoomed in maps for each domain, because I had to scrap a bunch of locales. A lot had to be cut in general, as I was worried about overloading the magazine. This is a mistake I'll happily correct.
I still struggle with how much to include in an article. I know intellectually that page count doesn't matter as it would with a physical volume, but even so. Of course, these days I probably err too much on the other side. It's a balance. Thank goodness for early readers.
doctornecrotic wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:08 am Likewise, the parasite wouldn't be the only monster I'd want to add in a DM's section. I have more Lovecraft pastiches I wish to add, mixed with other flavours (as Ichthyos is partially based on a period of Greece as it's attempting to liberate itself and other lands from Ottoman rule). Likewise, I have a lacking in technological horrors, like the Automatons and Machine Men (both inspired by Deadlands the Weird West). The real kicker for me is that my original blog series did have intro blurbs. I'll certainly sample those. That said, many domains underwent revamps from that version, Belagora having the largest change.
That all sounds good to me!
doctornecrotic wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 1:08 am A gazetteer would benefit from me expanding the pocket domain proposals I've made, like the Hell Coal Express! Malachi Cross used to be a player character turned villain in a RL game, just a fun fact I wanna toss out. :azalin:
Hah. Now captured in infamy.
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I've been taking my time reading this issue and I'm still reading some parts again. But here are some appreciations for content in this issue.

Four Came to Melesku’ta and Thaan Fallen
By Ian Fordnam
I really liked the alternative horror provided in Four Came to Melesku’ta. There’s something really sci-fi-ish there.
I’m no expert on Bleutspeur, but most stuff I read tend to focus on the underground cities of mind flayers. So, I really enjoyed reading Thaan Fallen and it’s provision of the surface perspective; there’s like an entire setting’s worth of material.

Excerpts from: “The Register of Monsters”
By Stanton F. Fink’s
I really liked the bizarre designs and stories of many of these alien-ish monsters. The standout for me is Evil Eye, because of its simplicity and the abstract suggestiveness of its artwork.

The Broken Cog
By Doctor Necrotic
I like the overall industrial era setting, and I think that the ruined Ichthyos is an amazing contrast to it. In general I like to imagine Ichthyos as an ancient Mediterranean place full of fleshy monsters that use the old ways (~magic/non-technology).
I also like the idea of a Council being the darklord of Belagora.

Beneath the Eye of Belenus
By Speedwagon
Pretty compelling and so much content for the Shadowlands. Just Beneath the Eye of Belenus includes like an entire setting’s worth of material. I like the map a lot too!

Little Horrors
By Rock
I really like Rock’s alternative takes on Ravenloft/horror. I really liked the narrative and it also presents the above viewpoint very well - where the typical fantasy/narrative leans towards thrillers, Madego and the Chi-folken narrative present a dark fairy. I believe there are other dark narratives that can be played this way too. Because why not have gothic horror and your little adorbs and cutsies?
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