Can the Vistani leave the Demiplane?

[Galeros]

I remember reading that the Zarovan can open up portals to other worlds, but I do not remember ever reading if they can actually leave Ravenloft.

[cure]

Yes, although it is not in any recent rules.

I am trying to think of an example. Perhaps this is one: Azalin sends a Vistani who curses a party such that they are sent upon by the Headless Horseman beginning one of the Grand Conjunction adventures.

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

It was a typical way to suck in non-native characters into 2e Ravenloft modules. See also Raul and Nikko from The Evil eye.

[Strahdsbuddy]

That's interesting. I was under the impression the Vistani were forever severed from their homeland. The Vistani are human, but they are not available as PCs, mostly as a plot device, but possibly because of the knowledge available to them, particularly the raunie. I'd say this sort of knowledge is tiered, with the Zarovan at the top of that pyramid. Their ties to the Land of Mists would probably rule out any permanent escape from the demiplane, although sending one individual Vistana, or at least a projection of him, into another realm might be a ritual that the Zarovan hold as sacred knowledge.

Though my familiarity with each individual tribe isn't as good as it could be, I've always thought the Zarovan were a breed apart. They are the tribe that forged an alliance with Strahd upon their arrival, and I would imagine the other tribes hold them in a sense of awe. One interesting piece of information i have just picked up is the Vistani that existed in Tristen Hiregaard's home world (which is not specifically mentioned as Toril in The Enemy Within). Did all of the tribes come from different worlds?

[Galeros]

I was also sort of under the impression that none of the Vistani would leave permanently even if they can. I always thought they saw the Demiplane as a home.

[High Priest Mikhal]

It's interesting to note that there are Vistani on Gothic Earth. Whether or not they're from Ravenloft is unknown. But they do share many of the same powers of divination and an immunity to the Red Death's corruption of magic as a whole. Maybe they come from the same home world, but ended up in a different place?

Considering what is known about the Vistani, if they have the ability to leave Ravenloft then few exhibit the desire to do so. Or maybe the most powerful Zarovan can and do leave the demiplane, but never with giorgios unless that's how the DM allows the PCs to escape. I remember that being presented as an option in VRGtt Vistani.

[riMkrad]

It was a typical way to suck in non-native characters into 2e Ravenloft modules. See also Raul and Nikko from The Evil eye.

Yeah, but that would be a temporary go-and-grab job... they wouldn't be able to escape...

[Dion of the Fraternity]

The 4E standard is that the Vistani (or at least the really powerful ones) can enter and leave the domains of dread, though they are still bound by the rules of how domains are controlled by the darklords (as has been implied by the "Heroes of Shadow" accessory).

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Cool... didn't know they showed up in Heroes of Shadow. will have to check it out. I don't recall any mention of the domains of dread in the DDI Vistani articles.

[cure]

The 4E standard is that the Vistani (or at least the really powerful ones) can enter and leave the domains of dread, though they are still bound by the rules of how domains are controlled by the darklords (as has been implied by the "Heroes of Shadow" accessory).

Where is the 4E stuff and, for that matter, where is the question treated in Heros of Light?

[Drinnik Shoehorn]

Vistani turned up in Dragon a couple of months ago as heritage/bloodline feats. Heroes of Shadow is the latest 4th Ed release.

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

Vistani turned up in Dragon a couple of months ago as heritage/bloodline feats. Heroes of Shadow is the latest 4th Ed release.

specifically, Dragon 380
http://fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/Pla ... l_Article)

(and it was October '09... times flies, eh?)

[cure]

http://fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/Pla ... l_Article)

There is nothing there. Or was this an invitation to put something there?

[Gonzoron of the FoS]

http://fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/Pla ... l_Article)

There is nothing there. Or was this an invitation to put something there?

no, it's there. Looks like the forum software cuts the ) off the end of the link. maybe like this:
link to Mistipedia article

[Dion of the Fraternity]

Heroes of Shadow, p.9:

"Made up of folk from all races, the colorful and uncanny Vistani are a breed apart...(they) seem to be able to cross the boundaries between the worlds as easily as they cross those between civilization and wilderness...In leaving, they also take the orphaned, the lonely, and the worthy to become one with the Blood--new members of the Vistani."

Heroes of Shadow, p10:

"Only the Vistani know methods of crossing in and out the domains of dread safely without being bound in such a way. Vistani give their secrets to no one, and, fearing long-reaching retribution, even the dark lords leave the magical vagabonds to their ways."