So, that's where we've got so far.jamesfirecat wrote:I'm glad that you found my post enlightening to why I like the Malken/Tristen dynamic.Carrion Crow wrote:That's what I like about this forum - you suggest an idea and someone comes back with a way of looking at a particular character that you might not have previously thought of.
I had not considered the Batman/Joker analogy in relation to Sir Tristen/Malken and really, really like it. I seem to remember that there was an Elseworlds comic 'Batman: Two Faces' which suggested that both Batman and the Joker were the same person, just opposite sides of the coin.
However, saying that, whilst I do like Sir Tristen/Malken as a character, I just don't feel that Nova Vaasa is the right setting for him. But now you've opened my eyes to a new way of looking at the character, one that makes sense to me, I can see certain possibilities for him...but elsewhere.
As I mentioned in the first post, I was planning on transplanting the character to Paridon, as I felt this was a better fit for the character and your comments have now set the fuse burning for this idea.
If we think of Paridon as a turn of the Century Gotham, with Sir Tristen as one of the only righteous men in a city rife with corruption, this equates to the Bruce Wayne archetype. Occupying a possition of power, such as chief of police or somesuch and being uncorruptible, his enemies decided to try and reduce him to their level. Maybe a potion or a Helmet of Opposite Alignment was used, but the end result was that his force of will caused his personality to fragment, with his darker impulses creating firstly his alternate ego of 'Malken', but seeds of darkness spreading out across the city and finding fertile ground in a variety of other places. A doppleganger who had quietly and peacefully blended in with Paridon society suddenly found his head filled with thoughts of conquest and murder. A wooden puppet, doted upon by his creator, suddenly brought to unholy life...
Sir Tristen, the righteous crusader for justice, was now confronted by a veritable 'rogues gallery' to combat, none of which he can truly vanquish, as each criminal is actually a facet of his own personality. And in the background, orchestrating the depredations of these unpleasant individuals, is the gnarled, shock-headed Malken...
NB: I had planned on intergrating Odiare into Paridon as a Pocket Domain, but having a "Little Italy" part of Paridon just seemed to good an opportunity to miss.
Jamesfirecat, I thank you! My players, however, will probably be cursing you!
"Quick, to the Sir Tristen-Signal!"
EDIT: I'd just like to point out that prior to posting the above, I hadn't actually read the "Batman in Ravenloft" thread, so independently came up with the above.
When you talk about Tristen being chief of police, remember that in Enemy Within, that sort of was his job, he was Captain of Kantora City Guard if memory servers properly.
Also just to refresh the "Batman in Ravenloft" idea if you need more Rogue's gallery ideas for Tristen.
Poison Ivy: This one is like the easiest transplant ever. Paridon is the second most advanced domain in the Core (beaten out only by Nosos) which makes it "fertile soil" for a NE druid who sees everything that is wrong with Paridon (the corruption of its civilization, the over abundance of dopplegangers, the whathever) as blame to be laid squarely at the feet of the fact that humanity has "advanced" to the point that it is has gotten out of synch with nature, nothing is keeping humanity's natural vices in check any more, and something/someone needs to do that particular job. Her path of corruption would probably involve picking up a bunch of plant like abilities, druids automatically get Ivy's "immunity to poisons" ability eventually, but she would also probably gain a plant like immunity to mind affecting spells/abilities, which helps mark her a thorn (pun intended) in the side of dopplegangers because it makes her immune to their mind reading ability. Would also be why she surrounds herself with plants and plant themed minions, they're the one thing she can count on to be loyal to her in Paridon.
Mr. Freeze: Alchemist has beautiful wife, who comes down with one of those mystical diseases that even D&D magic can't cure (maybe "Elevens" if you want to bring some Nosos to this version of Paridon?) and so needs to put her into suspended animation until he can fix it. Things go wrong because of X, and he ends up awakening latent sorcerer powers and or being transformed into an ice golem.
Killer Croc: Do something with the Marikith.
Catwoman: Natural Werecat (IE maintain personality while transformed) with a "harmless" catlike love of shiny things, and causing mischief. May or may not be a woman who Tristen secretly loves and barely manages to avoid being killed by Malken as the curse says should happen, because Lycanthropes are had to kill/Malken has no idea who she really is, since Tristen only ever sees her in hybrid/cat form, never in how she looks normally.
Riddler: Bored nobleman who is tired of traditional noble pursuits and so wants to make life entertaining by matching wits with supposedly some of the most brilliant men in the city, and seeing if they can stop his crimes/solve his puzzles...
Two-Face: Doppleganger who dove too deeply into the thoughts of one of his "victims" and now has issues with remembering if he's supposed to be the evil doppleganger who killed him, or the kind hearted human who was killed.
Ventriloquist: As you already suggested using Maligno and Guiseppe in place of Scarface and Arnold Wesker fits perfectly.
Joker: Malken himself.
As before, I'm basing my overview on resources I have, so we're looking at 2e material. And I have read the Zherisian Gazetteer, so am aware of the excellent work already put together for this Domain, as well as the thread regarding "Batman in Ravenloft". However, what I'm presenting is a 'Dread Alternative', which should avoid me being hunted down by the Fraternity and made to pay for my presumption...
So, firstly, where is Zherisia? Well, I've never been happy with the island of Liffe, although I will admit certain parts of it I do like. In the Batman thread, I was struck by the map of Gotham 'island' and my first suggestion is to replace Liffe with the slightly smaller, industrialised island of Zherisia. Due to it's location in the Nocturnal Sea, this would make the climate and weather similar to a fantasy version of Gotham, with constantly overcast skies.
Secondly, lose 'Timor' and the Marikith. I was never really struck by this particular Domain, as I felt it was not really suitable for the Gothic Fantasy feel of Ravenloft. Seems more like a fantasy version of 'Aliens', so might be better suited to "Masque of the Black Dome" which was a alternative setting suggested in a thread relocating Ravenloft to the far future.
Next, gather a few of the 'civilised' Domains together into a cluster that suit this particular version of Zherisia. So the Zherisia cluster would consist of Paridon with Sir Tristen/Malken as Darklord, with a couple of Pocket Domains within it, Odiare previously an Island and relocating Dominia. The last would also make Duke Gundar's quest for vengeance against Dr. Dominani a bit more frustrating for him, as I can imagine him chartering a ship to where Dominia previosuly was in the Sea of Sorrows, then losing his rag completely when the ship's captain tells him "Well, it was here last week..."
As for a 'Rogues Gallery' to provide Sir Tristen with a variety of foes, whilst we could provide him with analogues to the standard Batman foes, I think it would be more fun (and in keeping with the overall Gothic setting) to use existing characters that may not have been fully utilised within the setting.
So, if we are considering that Sir Tristen is our Gothic version of the crusading knight of justice within Paridon, with his alter ego of 'Malken' as our Joker analogue, who else can we add to the mix?
As noted above, adding Odiare as a district within Paridon,we immediately have Maligno as another force for evil within the city. Adding Dominia gives us an 'Arkham Asylum' type of district/pocket Domain, especially if Sir Tristen is unaware of the nature of the good doctor, even in Malken knows exactly what sort of creature resides within its walls.
If we then turn to the Ravenloft MCII, several characters within are ideal to add to this setting. Salizarr the Meazel, previously occupying the sewers of Il Aluk and presumably perishing during the Grim Harvest would easily fit within this revision. Desmond LaRouche, the half-golem, is also another character who would fit well, as whilst he's partially good, there are echoes of Two-Face about him. And if we retain Goldendale from the Fraternity netbook Children of the Night: Demons, we can add the Straw God. As Zherisia has always had issues with providing enough food for its populace, this could be part of that problem.
And I haven't even mentioned Sodo and his clan of Dopplegangers. Whether I retain him as Darklord of a Pocket Domain within Paridon or reduce his stature and make him another threat within the city I haven't yet decided.
So, generally speaking, we now have a corrupt island Domain, heavily industrialised with a few outlying villages/farms, which do not provide enough resources for the city. Our overall Darklord is the split personality of Sir Tristen Hiregaard, bastion of justice and head of the Paridon City Guard, desperately trying to maintain law and order in a city rife with corruption, filled with a variety of criminals, killers and parasites, the chief of which is his own alter ego, the shock-headed, gnarled Malken, who constantly mocks and taunts Sir Tristen and always seems to be one step ahead of him.