Wheel of time FINAL BOOK!
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Re: Wheel of time FINAL BOOK!
Keep reading...Androl is a tricky ba###rd
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Yeah, he sure is...
I'm glad to see them using gateways in new and creative ways finally. Totally changes battle plans. But there's one major one I wish they'd thought of:
There's much made of protecting the "dragons" and moving them about and such. Why bother? Station them somewhere safe and secret, like in Tear or Mayene. Then open a gateway onto the battlefield wherever you want them. Fire at Trollocs. When the Trollocs break and run, close the gateway and reopen it behind them or on their flank. Fire again. If the enemy gets close enough to channel at the cannons and endanger them, snap the gateway shut. Instant "troop movements." Same can be done for archers and channellers. Androl already sort of saw this when he
But no one followed it to the natural conclusion.
Overall, I'm enjoying the book a lot. I agree there was a lot of battle, but ... it's the last battle. I'd feel shortchanged if there wasn't. But yeah, sometimes telling instead of showing would have been better.
The other thing that I can't decide if it's cool or cheesy, is how everyone gets their moment to shine. And usually in exactly the "perfect" way. And everything hinges on each one.
It's cool and all, but a little too convenient.
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There's much made of protecting the "dragons" and moving them about and such. Why bother? Station them somewhere safe and secret, like in Tear or Mayene. Then open a gateway onto the battlefield wherever you want them. Fire at Trollocs. When the Trollocs break and run, close the gateway and reopen it behind them or on their flank. Fire again. If the enemy gets close enough to channel at the cannons and endanger them, snap the gateway shut. Instant "troop movements." Same can be done for archers and channellers. Androl already sort of saw this when he
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Overall, I'm enjoying the book a lot. I agree there was a lot of battle, but ... it's the last battle. I'd feel shortchanged if there wasn't. But yeah, sometimes telling instead of showing would have been better.
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About the placement of Dragons in safe place... keep reading.
Not to mention that at least IMO, there are a couple that die without their moment (I mean a moment of shine in the final battle). A couple more survive the final battle but they never got their moment to shine in the last battle.
The evil ones mostly DON'T have their moment to shine. We have a couple of Forsaken riding it in the sidelines.
Perhaps it's a spoiler but...
Anyway, while yes most get their moment to shine in the non-decisive battles that actually do little other than cull the number of Trollocs and men, my oppinion is, that in the last battle I would like to see more "moments of shine" to the heroes I've been following for so many years.
NOTE: That doesn't mean that there are few people that get their moment BTW. That means that like 70% IMO get their moment to shine while I wanted to see 100%.
Many of the Asha'man Rand had with him since book 6 are barely mentioned. Sure, one of them re-discovered how to make magic weapons, but that was in an earlier book.
I've been following some of those people for a decade. Other readers have been following some of those for longer. I'd feel cheated if they didn't get their moment to shine.Gonzoron of the FoS wrote:The other thing that I can't decide if it's cool or cheesy, is how everyone gets their moment to shine. And usually in exactly the "perfect" way. And everything hinges on each one.
Not to mention that at least IMO, there are a couple that die without their moment (I mean a moment of shine in the final battle). A couple more survive the final battle but they never got their moment to shine in the last battle.
The evil ones mostly DON'T have their moment to shine. We have a couple of Forsaken riding it in the sidelines.
Perhaps it's a spoiler but...
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Anyway, while yes most get their moment to shine in the non-decisive battles that actually do little other than cull the number of Trollocs and men, my oppinion is, that in the last battle I would like to see more "moments of shine" to the heroes I've been following for so many years.
NOTE: That doesn't mean that there are few people that get their moment BTW. That means that like 70% IMO get their moment to shine while I wanted to see 100%.
Many of the Asha'man Rand had with him since book 6 are barely mentioned. Sure, one of them re-discovered how to make magic weapons, but that was in an earlier book.
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Well, I'm done.
It was good. It was fitting. But I'm going to say something I never in a million years thought I'd say: It should have been a little longer. Seriously, the end felt very rushed. I could have used another couple hundred pages. (I actually felt the same at the end of ToM, too. The tower of genjei stuff was very rushed) I suppose they could have chopped them out of Crossroads of Twilight to compensate and no one would have noticed.
In the end, I'm happy, though it's bittersweet to know that's all there is to this world I've lived in and returned to for so long. I love this series, warts and all, and would recommend it to most readers. It's not my favorite series ever, but it's up there.
It was good. It was fitting. But I'm going to say something I never in a million years thought I'd say: It should have been a little longer. Seriously, the end felt very rushed. I could have used another couple hundred pages. (I actually felt the same at the end of ToM, too. The tower of genjei stuff was very rushed) I suppose they could have chopped them out of Crossroads of Twilight to compensate and no one would have noticed.
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I ALSO had the feeling that it needed a couple of hundred more pages, so we could say a proper goodbye. 200 pages that could have easily been shaved from inside the book, with the countless "important but not decisive" battles.
The last part was written by Jordan, while he knew he was dying. I can understand if it has a feel of "rushed" in it. He was literally, on clock to die, leaving the series he labored for nearly 20 years unfinished.
About channelers:
Check Jordan's descriptions and how people talk. The word "channeler" is never, ever mentioned. It doesn't exist in Jordan's world. It's "Wilder" or "Aes Sedai" or "Damane" or "Kinswoman" or "Asha'man". Noboody ever called them channelers... till Brandon took control of the series.
Anyway, now that it's over:
About Rand, Mat and Perrin
About others:
My favorite series. I'll miss them.
So, how did the whole load of combat seemed to you? It was as if the book was a huge Dumani Wells.
Also, remember book 11 and book 12B where Rand kills about 100K-150K Trollocs? If he hadn't the armies of light could well have lost.
The last part was written by Jordan, while he knew he was dying. I can understand if it has a feel of "rushed" in it. He was literally, on clock to die, leaving the series he labored for nearly 20 years unfinished.
About channelers:
Check Jordan's descriptions and how people talk. The word "channeler" is never, ever mentioned. It doesn't exist in Jordan's world. It's "Wilder" or "Aes Sedai" or "Damane" or "Kinswoman" or "Asha'man". Noboody ever called them channelers... till Brandon took control of the series.
Anyway, now that it's over:
About Rand, Mat and Perrin
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So, how did the whole load of combat seemed to you? It was as if the book was a huge Dumani Wells.
Also, remember book 11 and book 12B where Rand kills about 100K-150K Trollocs? If he hadn't the armies of light could well have lost.
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