http://fraternityofshadows.com/w/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Category_talk%3AAnimated_Toys 2026-09-30T16:58:05Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.43.0 http://fraternityofshadows.com/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Animated_Toys&diff=23904&oldid=prev 2010-02-20T20:04:53Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:04, 20 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Well, are these animated through, like, an animator?  Or oil of animation? If so, not a golem.  As for a possible counterexample, Ron, how about figurines vs figurines of obsession?  The former are constructed using golem-like measures, the latter are brought about through obsession.  Neither has Golem in the name.[[User:DeepShadow|DeepShadow]] 02:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Well, are these animated through, like, an animator?  Or oil of animation? If so, not a golem.  As for a possible counterexample, Ron, how about figurines vs figurines of obsession?  The former are constructed using golem-like measures, the latter are brought about through obsession.  Neither has Golem in the name.[[User:DeepShadow|DeepShadow]] 02:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Actually, I checked the module and they are temporarily animated by a Special Ability of Maligno.  As such, I say construct only.  They aren't permanent enough to be golems.  More like an animate objects spell.  And now, no more "The Created" questions for me until next week.  I packed away the module to move. :) -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 20:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Gonzoron http://fraternityofshadows.com/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Animated_Toys&diff=23399&oldid=prev 2010-02-19T02:35:51Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:35, 18 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ultimately, it&#039;s an arbitrary distinction, and I think the easiest line to draw is: If it&#039;s got Golem in the name, it&#039;s a Golem, if not, not.  Any counterexamples? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 20:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ultimately, it&#039;s an arbitrary distinction, and I think the easiest line to draw is: If it&#039;s got Golem in the name, it&#039;s a Golem, if not, not.  Any counterexamples? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 20:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Well, are these animated through, like, an animator?  Or oil of animation? If so, not a golem.  As for a possible counterexample, Ron, how about figurines vs figurines of obsession?  The former are constructed using golem-like measures, the latter are brought about through obsession.  Neither has Golem in the name.[[User:DeepShadow|DeepShadow]] 02:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

DeepShadow http://fraternityofshadows.com/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Animated_Toys&diff=23372&oldid=prev 2010-02-18T20:47:24Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:47, 18 February 2010</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Golem and Construct or just Construct?[[User:Cure|Cure]] 07:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Golem and Construct or just Construct?[[User:Cure|Cure]] 07:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ticky... The MM defines golems as construct created through magic and animated with an elemental earth spirit.  Obviously Ravenloft changes that a bit, and in the RCS, the Dread Golem template is supposedly for any construct brought to life though a dark obsession.  But that template gives a lot of bonuses that I don't think every Ravenloft construct needs to have, even though the vast majority of constructs in Ravenloft probably came into being through a dark obsession.  </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ultimately, it's an arbitrary distinction, and I think the easiest line to draw is: If it's got Golem in the name, it's a Golem, if not, not.  Any counterexamples? -- [[User:Gonzoron|Gonzoron]] 20:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Gonzoron http://fraternityofshadows.com/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:Animated_Toys&diff=23011&oldid=prev 2010-02-18T07:23:23Z

<p>Created page with &#039;Golem and Construct or just Construct?~~~~&#039;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>Golem and Construct or just Construct?[[User:Cure|Cure]] 07:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</div>

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