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Two darklords for the price of one?

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:50 pm
by Rotipher of the FoS
I was looking through some darklord backgrounds today, and I noticed something that might link the creation of two different darklords, tying their origins to a single event. Only a tiny ret-con would be needed, to make it work, and it'd add yet another stain of enmity to the infighting and feuding between lords which besets the southwestern Core. It'd even mean that the Dark Powers chose two darklords in quick succession, who had something in common -- a youthful resentment for the single parents who'd raised them, then denied them the freedom to live as their passions dictated -- which suggests that the DPs had a particular interest in that particular "flavor" of evil, at the time:

According to Gabrielle Aderre's personal history, she and her mother had been attacked by a werewolf in 729. Embittered by how Isabella had long refused to reveal her father's identity, and by how her mother (gifted with the Sight) fortold doom should her daughter ever bear children, Gabrielle exorted the truth from her badly-wounded parent, then (dissatisfied with her answers) abandoned her mother to the werewolf's fury. The Mists immediately swept in and deposited Gabrielle in Bakholis's clutches, where she promptly assassinated the former lord of Invidia, "inheriting" his power over that domain.

Now take a look at Alfred Timothy's background. He forsook his father's domain of Arkendale at some time in the 720s, and spent several years harassing human peasants and trying to become a cleric of the Wolf God. Eventually, his failure to attain divine patronage drove him to massacre one too many villages, and he was captured and sentenced to be burned alive. However, two Vistani -- a mother and daughter -- purchased the caged werewolf from the avenging villagers, acting upon the mother's Sight-bestowed predictions. Alfred betrayed his rescuers, killing the older woman, while the younger one fled. He was soon after picked up by the Mists and deposited in his own new-made domain of Verbrek, in 730 BC.

Coincidence...?

Since when are there "coincidences", when the Dark Powers are involved?

If you ask me, these stories are just too much alike to be an accident. It was Alfred Timothy, IMO, who slaughtered Isabella Aderre, leaving Gabrielle as the daughter who escaped. It's unlikely that Alfred would have spared the younger of his 'rescuers', after all -- not knowing that the surviving Vistana could curse him for his treacherous actions; he couldn't count on the daughter's scorn for her mother's unsatisfactory response lasting too long, especially when the fleeing girl (a "weakling human", in his eyes) surrendered to the human "weakness" of guilt! -- so it's unlikely she could have escaped a pursuing werewolf ... unless the Mists took her away. Conversely, it's hard to explain why a werewolf would suddenly up and attack a couple of (half-)Vistani, when everything we know about the Ravenloft gypsies suggests that they're the one group of people whom the dark beasts of the wilds tend to leave alone. But if the two Vistani had actually set the werewolf free, then such an encounter makes more sense, especially when we consider Alfred's exceptional contempt for all humans, Vistani included.

The only points of contention between these two stories are the difference in dates -- 729 for Gabrielle's usurpation of Invidia; 730 for the formation of Verbrek -- and the description of the two women who'd freed Alfred as full-blooded Vistani (one a raunie) rather than mixed-bloods. The former is easily resolved, if we assume that the death of Isabella took place in late December: Gabby got her domain at the end of 729, while Alfred was given a few days more to wander (searching for the escaped daughter, perhaps?) before the Mists picked him up in early 730. As for the identity of the "raunie", that's also easily accounted for: resentful of the full-blood gypsies who'd treated her as an outcast, Isabella may have made a habit of pretending to be a true Vistana and leader of caravans, both as a way to intimidate the hostile, yet curse-wary giorgios, and as a means of spreading a little more dirt on the true Vistani's reputations, every time she cheated a giorgio in her "raunie" guise.

This connection not only gives we DMs a chance to write Alfred Timothy (a rather neglected character) into the blood-feuding and resentments of the Core -- especially if Matton, a werewolf-hating wolfwere who loves Gabrielle, hears about all this; slaughtering Alfred for having once put Gabby in danger might seem, to him, like a way of winning her exclusive affections back, for all that it probably wouldn't work and he'd most likely get killed trying -- but it also provides an intriguing example of the Dark Powers' showing interest in a specific type of Evil (filial betrayal and resentment for parental authority), and selecting the first two villains who happen to exemplify that Evil for near-simultaneous ascension to darklord status! Several weeks ago, I'd proposed on this board that the DPs are collecting a wide variety of types of evil-doers, based more upon their illustrative value than on the mere magnitude of their crimes. In this case, if indeed these two darklords arose from a single event, we may have an example of the Dark Powers' selecting two separate villains whose misdeeds just happened to best demonstrate the "flavor" of Evil that most happened to interest them, right around New Years' of 730: festering teen-aged hatred toward one's parent, in both its daughter-vs-mother and its son-vs-father incarnations.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 4:20 pm
by Gonzoron of the FoS
You're not the only one. I noticed this connection too, and I think we may have discussed it here too when Gaz IV came out. But I don't know how deep we went into the implications... I like your analysis....

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 5:54 pm
by Drinnik Shoehorn
I think most people accept that the two Timothy attacked are Gabby and her mother, in the same way they accept that Vlad Drakov is Gabby's father.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:17 pm
by Coan
Everything is connected in Ravenloft. It's all part of the Dark Powers plan.

But on a more cannon basis I would venture that this is what occured. Afterall it wouldn't be the first time Darklords (and future Darklords) have influenced the future -Mordent anyone?

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:11 pm
by Stygian Inquirer
Also, remember that the mists don't necessarily follow the linear standards of time. I think it was the RL:CS that said that sometimes people walk into the mists and come out years after or before they entered.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:29 pm
by Tobias Blackburn
Stygian Inquirer wrote:Also, remember that the mists don't necessarily follow the linear standards of time. I think it was the RL:CS that said that sometimes people walk into the mists and come out years after or before they entered.
Right. I always explained the time discrepancy as a flux of the Mists. Alfred was snatched up the same day, but was not placed in Verbrek for a year. For him, no time passed at all (or perhaps a little as he got the feel of the land before it joined the Core), but a year passed in "real" time.

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:03 pm
by The Giamarga
This is great! Good work...

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:19 pm
by Joël of the FoS
Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:I think most people accept that the two Timothy attacked are Gabby and her mother, in the same way they accept that Vlad Drakov is Gabby's father.
This is a little strong, no? If it was canon, we would have read it before in a book, or with hints, especially in the Gaz serie about those darklord's domains.

That said, it's a cool option :)

Joël

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:09 pm
by Tobias Blackburn
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:
Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:I think most people accept that the two Timothy attacked are Gabby and her mother, in the same way they accept that Vlad Drakov is Gabby's father.
This is a little strong, no? If it was canon, we would have read it before in a book, or with hints, especially in the Gaz serie about those darklord's domains.

That said, it's a cool option :)

Joël
I believe that it came from the fact that Gabby's mom had been raped by a powerful, evil man in Falknovia. While this could describe anyone in the Government, it is a distinct possibility that Vlad was involved.

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:13 pm
by Joël of the FoS
The mother of Gabrielle and Vlad's slavery is well known.

No it's the first part that I'm saying isn't that widely accepted, i.e. that the werewolf that attacked Gabrielle Aderre and her mother is Timothy.

Joël

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:33 pm
by Tobias Blackburn
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:The mother of Gabrielle and Vlad's slavery is well known.

No it's the first part that I'm saying isn't that widely accepted, i.e. that the werewolf that attacked Gabrielle Aderre and her mother is Timothy.

Joël
Ah. Sorry about that.

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:44 pm
by Joël of the FoS
*lol* no problem.

Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:21 pm
by Drinnik Shoehorn
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:*lol* no problem.
But if it's not, it's a startling coincidence, and I for one don't believe in a conicidence like that.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:29 am
by Stygian Inquirer
Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:*lol* no problem.
But if it's not, it's a startling coincidence, and I for one don't believe in a conicidence like that.
I concur. It does seem to be too much of a coincidence.

Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 10:00 am
by Joël of the FoS
Stygian Inquirer wrote:
Drinnik Shoehorn wrote:
Joël of the Fraternity wrote:*lol* no problem.
But if it's not, it's a startling coincidence, and I for one don't believe in a conicidence like that.
I concur. It does seem to be too much of a coincidence.
OK, I'm going to play the devil's side: then why hasn't any canon product said so? It's a long past event so it would not really spoil any future grand scheme (like Azalin's return, the GC's plan, etc.).

Coincidence happens.

That said, again, it's a cool coincidence ;)